Consider the following story. On your eighth birthday your grandfather gives you a gift. You unwrap it and find an antique pocket watch. It hangs from a silver chain, and it has a beautiful carving of a clipper ship on the lid. The back is engraved with the words, "The Best of Times." It's a nice gift, but you're eight. You wanted a toy truck. From that day forward you vow revenge on this old coot. If it takes you the rest of your life, you're going to crack the secret of time travel and then travel back and give him a present when he was eight, a bullet to the head. Sure it's little extreme, and sure you might be nullifying your own existence, but to hell with the consequences! You were really counting on getting that truck. So, you tinker away in your basement on your time machine, plotting your revenge, and you carry the watch for thirty years, as a reminder of your vow. Finally, everything is ready. You travel back sixty years to the day your grandfather turned eight. You find him playing in the dirt in his front yard, playing with a toy truck of all things, what nerve! You walk up to him and throw the pocket watch in his face and yell, "Happy birthday Jerk!", as you raise the gun to fire. Just then, a meteor falls from the sky and lands right on top of you. Your eight year old grandfather blinks in surprise at the giant smoking rock in his front yard. Then he notices the pocket watch laying in the dirt beside his truck. He picks it up and dusts it off. He holds on to this watch for the rest of his life, as a memento of this strange incident. On his grandchild's own eighth birthday, he presents it to you as a gift.
So now you see the new can of worms we've opened. We've disposed of the grandfather paradox with the idea that whatever happened in the past, already happened and can't be changed. You can't kill your grandfather because you already tried and you ended up getting flattened by a meteor. That's what happened. But now we have a new problem. In the process of your assassination attempt, you gave your grandfather a pocket watch, the same pocket watch he gave you. So this raises the obvious question: where the heck did this pocket watch come from?
This is what is known as the ontological paradox. This is where information or objects loop through time without a clear origin. The ontological paradox and its close cousin, the predestination paradox are the result of the theory where the time traveler was always in the past. The grandfather paradox arises from an inconsistency between cause and effect which results from a change in the time line. The effect cancels out the cause. With these new paradoxes you have the opposite problem. In the predestination paradox, you have the effect causing itself. In the ontological paradox, you have an object or information originating with itself. In both cases, you have a closed loop where the past is fulfilled by the future that has resulted from it. The constant and unchangeable nature of time, which was once the handy solution, has now become the problem. Sure, it's already happened, that's why it's going to happen.
Now, my first, intuitive reaction to the ontological paradox is simply to dismiss it as a cute little trick of fiction. Yeah, it's neat and everything that the grandfather gives you the watch he got from you, but is this really a legitimate concern? Could it actually happen in the scenario? Well, remember the "links" I put in the post at the beginning of the month? Suppose I had been able to read the posts before I wrote them. I'd know what I was going to write, and then I could have just gone back and written it based on what I read. But then, where would the words and ideas have actually come from? They would loop around through time, originating with themselves. I would just be copying from myself what I had already copied from myself, without ever actually writing the original material.
Okay, so that covers information, but what about an object. Well, suppose you stole the Mona Lisa from the Louvre. Then you take it back in time and leave it on Leonardo Da Vinci's doorstep. Now, Leonardo could preserve his integrity and simply throw the thing away, but even so, he couldn't forget what he saw. The Mona Lisa would inevitably influence his painting of the Mona Lisa, perhaps even giving him the idea. So, at the very least, you'd still have information running in a loop. But what if Leonardo wasn't so scrupulous? What if he just looked this way and that, took the painting inside, and then eventually passed it off as his own? Now you've got a solid object, paint and canvas, looping around through time, and God only knows where it came from. So yes, the ontological paradox is definitely a real problem. All it would take is setting the Mona Lisa on Da Vinci's doorstep.
If you look closely, you'll notice a mathematical problem that arises from this as well. Take a look at our pocket watch again. Between the day your grandfather picks it up and the day you take it back in time with you, sixty years elapses. The hour hand has made 43, 800 rotations around its face. So that means that the watch is at least sixty years old when you throw it at your grandfather. So it was already sixty years old when he picked up, then it was carried around for another sixty years before it was taken back in time. Okay, so the hour hand has made 87,600 rotations and the watch was at least 120 years old when your grandfather picked it up. But then it was carried for another sixty years, so it was really 180 years old. Round and round it goes until you're forced to conclude that the hour hand has made an infinite amount of rotations around the face. Not even the best made watch could last forever, let alone one that wasn't made in the first place.
The problem here is that you have no starting point to calculate the watch's age from. It's not that the loop itself keeps repeating. The events only happen once, but yet the numbers keep piling up. You can never establish exactly how old the watch is at any one point, so you're forced to keep compounding the time it traveled around the loop. So, not only does this watch have no beginning; it has no ending either. It exists for eternity in an isolated circle of events.
Or how about this: Let's say you work as a scientist in a lab. You come in on Monday and find a mysterious petri dish on the table. You take the dish back to Sunday and leave it on the table for yourself to find on Monday and bring back to Sunday. The microbes in this dish double once a day. So, if there were at least two microbes on Sunday, then there were four by Monday, which means there were at least four on Sunday, which means there were eight on Monday, which means there were at least eight on Sunday, which means there were 16 on Monday, which means....Yes, quite a can of worms indeed.
I wish I had a solution to offer for this, but honestly, I'm stumped this time. I have no ideas or theories at the moment. Even the multiverse won't save us this time. We can't skip over to the universe next door, because we aren't changing anything. And yet, solve it we must, for one could argue that our entire existence is the ultimate ontological paradox. You know the old conundrum: what caused the thing that caused the thing that caused The Big Bang? Where did the stuff come from, that all this...stuff came from? You could go around with it forever, but here we are, the most infinite pocket watch of all. So, the solution is out there. Maybe I'll find a note on my refrigerator tomorrow morning, explaining it all. After I read it the next day, I just have to remember to travel back to yesterday and leave it on the refrigerator.
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This is quite a conundrum. And that really is an extreme reaction to getting a watch.
ReplyDeleteYou told me to imagine it was me, and that I wanted a toy truck for my eighth birthday. Well, I never would have wanted a toy truck. In fact, that watch sounds pretty nice to my eight year old girl mind. It's shiny and has a chain and can sparkle in the sunlight. There is no way a toy truck can compete with something both shiny and grown up. So I never would have decided to go back in time to kill my grandfather.
Which means that none of this happened to me. Thank goodness. That whole "smashed to bits by a meteor" business was horrifying.
My grandfather got me a really crappy belt for Christmas once. I got over it, though.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I suppose there's a bit of a male bias in the hypothetical scenario. I changed "grandson" to "grandchild", at least, if that helps.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, seems I've lost a follower over this one. Who knew bootstrap paradoxes were so controversial? Maybe it was the whole "shooting the grandfather" thing.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget to leave the car keys behind the microwave, Ted!
ReplyDeleteThere IS a lot of male bias. But you ARE male. Male POV comes naturally to you. My grandparents one got me these purple silk flare pants for Christmas. (This was 2002, by the way, not the eighties.) I hated them, but I had to wear them all day. I didn't want to kill them over it either.
ReplyDeleteWow... you've managed to insult someone. Maybe the lost follower was visiting their grandfather for real when a meteor struck and killed their grandpa. You should really be more careful about the scenarios you tell us to imagine. :P
It seems clothes are just generally a bad idea for a gift, unless you really, really, know what the person likes, their exact size, ect. Gift certificates are a much safer and easier way to go.
ReplyDeleteAs for the lost follower, how about this scenario: maybe they take even the slightest mention of Leonardo Da Vinci as an endorsement of the Da Vinci code, and thus consider me violently anti-Catholic. As a catholic, they can no longer in good conscience follow my blog. I'm only half kidding, really. You know it's possible.
More likely, someone was just going through and cutting the dead weight from their follow list. I know I've followed blogs that I thought I would read more of at the time, and then for some reason I never go back. Every so often, I do a little trimming.
But whatever, unless they send me a nice angry email, I'll never know. I won't lose any sleep over it.
Isn't it obvious.
ReplyDeleteThe watch exists beyond our understanding of space and time.
It has always existed and always will exist.
The wisdom of The Infinite Pocket Watch flows from your words to your keyboard and on to my screen. I am humbled and amazed.
I just hope I wrote what you read that I wrote before I wrote it. Did I write it?
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Did you write this just to try and give me a headache? I bet you did. Well, good job. You win, because now I have headache.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it's an interesting theory. The sad thing is, it can't be proved. Even if we had time travel, we MIGHT not be able to prove it then. Because you can never trace the source of the watch. This is a Schrodinger's Cat problem if you ask me.
Which brings me to my point. And yes, I have one. I'm more of a Occam's Razor type person. Summed up, and not exactly correct at that, Occam's razor means All Things Being Equal, The Simplest Exaplanation Is Likely The Correct One.
Using Occam's Razor, I look at it like this. The source of the watch was your Grandfather, who got it from his wife. He wanted to give you something of value at an early age, to help teach you responsibility, and faced with his own mortality, decided your 8th Brithday was the time to do it.
Then you event a time machine, go back and time, and change history.
Then the Universe experiences a paradox and either vaporizes, or goes on. Or maybe it causes the Universe to implode, causing anoher Big Bang, and everything starts over, giving you the answer to the Big Bang.
Who knows? Certainly not me.
Yes, there's a way to begin without it being a paradox, I suppose, if you allow for change in the time line. But even then, once it all done and the change is complete...paradox city.
ReplyDeleteI thought we were going to do away with the whole senseless killings of grandfathers?
ReplyDeleteThis is my favorite type of paradox. Some of my favorite stories involve setups like this. Like Heinlein's "All You Zombies," where a man sets up a time loop to become his own mother. That one was pretty risque for the 1950's.
His own mother? Was there a sex change involved?
ReplyDeleteHis own mother. Yep, sex change. Oh, forgot to say, he was also his own father. She was born female, got pregnant by a mysterious stranger, and after the baby was stolen our hero became a man. Later she (now he) went back in time and impregnated his female self, and then even later in his personal timeline went back and stole the baby (himself) and placed it in an orphanage.
ReplyDeleteDid they happen to follow me too? Hang on, I seemed to have gained a few more people...It can't be your crazy catholic theory because if your Da Vinci Code turned them off, then my stuff must have made them contemplate my death. Scary, for me, if you think about it.
ReplyDeleteOR! Your scenerio was just what they needed in order to get back to 1984 and save the old man from getting shot by those Russian terrorist. Were they Russian? Damn details.
The people of the future revere you as a great prophet. Your article becomes the first chapter in The Books Of The Infinite Pocket Watch, becoming the holy scriptures of the Infinite Watchers.
ReplyDeleteTowards the end of the 22nd century Infinite Watchers over take Scientology as the major religion.
In the year 2312 a slpinter group breaks off known as the White Lighters, claiming that the Watchers have lost sight of the original purity of The Infinite Pocket Watch. They believed only they understood the true message of Father White.
By 2422 there are an estimated 50,000 different denominations all claiming to be the only one to follow the true path. There are scandals when certain church leaders are caught wearing wrist watches which are considered to be sinful.
As you can see your article becomes one of the most important pieces ever written and you become the L. Ron Hubbard of a new era.
@Doug: Wow. I guess someone told him to go screw himself and he took it a little too literally.
ReplyDelete@Scott: I wonder if they weren't one of the two people I ate to stay alive when I was lost in that flow chart of yours.
@Tommy: But none of it will happen if I don't pass this history project.
"Infinite Watchers" sounds like a good title for something.
@Tommy again: If I'm going to be the next L. Ron, then perhaps I should start structuring my name accordingly. Instead of being "Bryan M. White", I should change it to "B. Matthew White". To be extra pretentious I could insist that the pronunciation all gets run together so that you'd say it, "Beameth You White". Naturally, my worshipers would conclude that this was a secret coded prophecy that the time traveling UFOs would only be taking the pure of heart and spirit with them into the blissful paradise of the far distant future. A joyous party of castration and grape Kool-Aid would then ensue, and a wild time would be had by all.
ReplyDeleteAmen.
I do like Grape kool-aid.
ReplyDeleteAlso, turns out I too lost a follower and I am blaming you solely as the eater of souls. See what happens when you try to figure out time? You have created a blog-hole that is swallowing up followers. THANKS BRYAN!
I love grape Kool-Aid as well, but I could do without the cyanide and castration.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the "blog-hole", perhaps it's combination of the pocket watch and the flow chart. Both are quite circular in nature.
The day you start getting followers is the day you start losing them.
ReplyDeleteI borrowed that from Mad Men and changed it to match the blogging world. He would be so proud.
Anyway, I'm giggling maniacally over here. Why? Because I've given you a blog award and I'm curious to know if you'll actually pass it on. I gave it to you because you're interesting. But I'm still insanely curious...
I think I will follow to make up for the loss.
ReplyDeleteI agree with someone or another who said the original pocket watch could have come from someone. Perhaps as a gift after a tramatic meteor strike. He gives it to you. You travel back and start a loop that only ends when the original pocket watch breaks upon impact after centuries of use. At this point your grandfather picks up the broken pocket watch and discards it in disgust, giving you an alternate gift that allows the universe to continue.
The Infinite Pocket Watch idea reminds me of The Lost Room. I love the idea that some Event takes all these objects out of normal space time and the side effects are strange powers held by the objects themselves. Well worth seeing if you have not.
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Thanks for filling the void.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen The Lost Room, but I have seen Lost, where something similar happens with a compass. Does that count?
Oh, and you mentioned Primer in the other comment. I did see that, but I forget a lot about it. I liked the scaled-down approach of these guys working on the thing in their garage (it was a garage wasn't it?). I'd like to see it again.
I like The Lost Room much more than Lost. I was disappointed it was only a miniseries. You should check it out.
ReplyDeleteIt was in a garage. I kept thinking about it for like four days straight until it all clicked in my head. Much harder to follow than Donnie Darko. I think I may have to watch it again too.
I did see Donnie Darko. I wish I could get my hands on that book The Philosophy of Time Travel :)
ReplyDeleteThere are a few pages floating around, just the ones glimpsed on the screen...not that I went hunting for such three minutes after the movie ended or anything. Ü
ReplyDeleteI thought Donnie Darko had an interesting approach where time travel created an unstable alternate branch that needed to be resolved back into the original stable timeline or the universe destroyed itself.
I could talk about these movies and more for hours, but I should get back to work. Glad Chanel led me to you.