One of the great parts about blogging is the fact that while many of us often deal with the same pressing issues and difficult questions, we're still able to take our own style and approach to the subjects and frame them in our own unique ways. Some bloggers openly declare their intention to hurt their reader's brains. Some bloggers tear at the scabs of people's complacent sensibilities. My friend Vincent just likes to take walks. His blog A Wayfarer's Notes has a premise which is beguilingly simple, while it's execution is prolific in its complexity. It doesn't hurt that he's a damn good writer either. He goes where his feet take him, and he lets his mind wander in a similar fashion, and on his blog he shares with us the results of these physical and mental ramblings. His reveries aren't always confined to his walks. Sometimes he's in bed half asleep; sometimes he's hanging the wash out to dry. But one of the charms of his blog is that he often organically incorporates the physical details of his surroundings with the abstract musings of his ideas. This has the sublime effect of placing thoughts in the context of life.
His latest post is a fine example of this. He not only tells us of an epiphany that he had, an intuition of immortality, but he also describes exactly where he had it and even provides a picture of the spot. Of immortality he says, "Normally, when we speak of being immortal, we refer to the notion of the 'I' not dying when the body dies. But I saw, in that moment, that the 'I' is nothing more than the body’s mechanism for looking out for itself. It dies and unravels, but consciousness is all-pervasive, in all beings, in all matter. Call it awareness, call it an indwelling intelligence in everything, if you like." As usual with Vincent's post, this gave me a lot to think about.
It seems to me, if he wanted to pursue this idea (assuming even that he's interested in treating it as an idea. He might be content to take it as a moment of awe and wonder, and leave it at that without further questioning. He and I are of somewhat different temperaments.) ...but suppose he wanted to look deeper into this notion of consciousness being something larger than the finite existence of the ego and the individual. Then, I would suggest that to find a clue to how it all ends, one needs to look at how it all begins. If "our" consciousness, his and mine and yours and whoever's, returns to some universal mind upon death, then it seems to follow that they arose up out of that universal mind at birth. If consciousness transcends the individual, mustn't it do so in both directions in time, mustn't it precede life as well as succeed it?
For instance, under that post I left a comment speculating about immortality on the basis of the Law of Conservation, the question of "Where does it all go? Where does a lifetime of knowledge and my knowing of that knowledge...how can it all just vanish without a trace?" This is, of course, an entirely different point from the one Vincent was making, and yet it proceeds from the same principle that consciousness is part of something larger than the individual life, in this case, part of the general substance of the universe, a transubstantiation of matter and energy and thought that somehow endures in some form. To insist that it must return to something, is to insist likewise that it must have come from this something. Arguing from Conservation requires a persistent continuum from which the individual rises and falls.
I'm reminded of Adam from the Bible, and I'm struck once again by the metaphorical insight of those ancient writers. Adam was formed from the dust of the ground to which he would someday return, life rising up out of the very substance to which death would eventually return it. Or as Mark Twain once put it, "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
But yet, we can't simply return consciousness to the shelf where we found it. It's a used item, changed and worn and broken in by passing through a lifetime of our experiences. It began for me as a crack of awareness in the world as I first opened my eyes. I knew nothing beyond the most natural of bodily functions, breathing, sleeping, crying and so on. As time went on, that crack of awareness has grown. It has become a repository of information and experience. It has gathered the dust of my life to complement the dust of the Earth. When the one returns to the ground, what becomes of the other? It has blossomed, grown in complexity and substance. Isn't it made of something? Where do it go? Is it disseminated through-out this universal mind like fertilizer, enhancing its general growth and vitality? Does that flash of memory in my mind, my foot making cracks in the ice...will that someday be part of a stream flowing over a rock? Will the algebraic equations I learned somehow fall from the sky with the rain? Will my laughter grow from the ground? Where does it all go?
We're not done with this subject. Not by a long shot. It's one of the most important, most enduring questions of the human race. It's also probably the most difficult to answer. What happens to us when we die? Only the dead know for sure, and they're not giving up any of their secrets. So it's up to us. I'll chip in. I'll do my part, and I'll do my best to give you a headache in the process. That, for what it's worth and while it lasts, is my "individual" perspective and contribution to the whole cosmic mess.
Great. When one of these posts gives me an aneurysm I'll try hard to do a "ghost post" and let you know what's out there. But if all you get is random gobbledygook, you'll know that I died face down on the keyboard.
ReplyDeleteHee hee hee! My veri word was "flatine" That's what happened when Buckwheat died.
See, now you have me wondering the intent behind your statement of my tearing at the scab of complacent beings lack of participation. In fact, AR ties into this post in its own right, because those people with sensibility scabs are essentially dead on the inside and in desperate need of a social defibrillator to bring them around.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if you were to replace consciousness with soul, would your thoughts be anchored more closely to home, or would it distract from the point?
Rev: Damn so close to "flatline."
ReplyDeleteOne thing we can be sure of is that they don't have internet access in the afterlife, at least not the same internet we're on. We should try a URL with HWW. (Heaven Wide Web) and see what happens.
Scott: You actually made a similar statement about scabs the other day. I think you put the image in my head. My intention was only describe what you're up to over at the funhouse of yours.
As for "soul", quite honestly, I've never been entirely sure what that means. I mean, I have a mind, a consciousness, a self-awareness. What exactly is a soul beyond that? What is my experience of it? It seems to me that the soul is a proposition that some part of the person continues on after death. The tricky thing is that people then try to turn around and try to prove this continuation on the basis of the soul. It's completely circular, and yet no one wants to dispute the "soul" for fear of coming off as shallow.
This is not say that something doesn't endure after the body is gone. I have absolutely no idea. It's just that bringing the word "soul" into the mix doesn't make me feel any closer to an answer.
But that's just me.
Mr. White,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all to respond to Vincent's post with a post that could have been a comment on his site in response to his post, seems a little odd.
Secondly, your post inspired much thought in me. I have wanted to comment on this for a while, and this was the nudge I needed. I wrote a comment for your site, but then realized it explains my position, so I have responded to your post, here: The Minds of the Dead
P.S. Funny thing is, I bookmarked Vincent's post that inspired this one, prior to your comment on his post, and I still have not got to it. Ahahaahahaha.
At first I thought you were pulling my leg with that link, since it went to a page that said, "The page you're looking for in nuclearheadache does not exist." But then I checked my feed. Somehow the URL just got messed up.
ReplyDeleteTo any interested the post can be found HERE
Seems I've inadvertantly generated some kind of "blog hop" (if that's what they call it.) Anyone else can feel free to follow suit with their own thoughts on mortality.
You ask some excellent questions:
ReplyDeleteWhen the one returns to the ground, what becomes of the other? It has blossomed, grown in complexity and substance. Isn’t it made of something? Where do it go? Is it disseminated through-out this universal mind like fertilizer, enhancing its general growth and vitality? Does that flash of memory in my mind, my foot making cracks in the ice...will that someday be part of a stream flowing over a rock? Will the algebraic equations I learned somehow fall from the sky with the rain? Will my laughter grow from the ground? Where does it all go?
Left to myself, I would have no better guesses than the next man. As it is, one of the most valuable things I picked up from Abram’s book, Becoming Animal, which I don’t expect to stop talking about any time soon, provides me with some tentative answers. I’m happy with them since they seem to be the same kind of intuitions or subjective experiences as my own.
Let’s start with the excellent idea you harvested from the Bible: made from dust, dissolving back to dust. In the period between those two events, this thing called “I” acquires awareness, and like a flowering plant, it blossoms. The seed grows in complexity and substance. So you ask where does it go? Poets have always asked this, “Where are the snows of yesteryear?” asked François Villon in about 1450 (Mais où sont les neiges d'antan?). We imagine that mind (soul, awareness, consciousness etc) is somehow more durable than body. But the only grounds for supposing this are in the mind itself. The “I” fears death. We are related genetically to the flowering plants, not just to the animal kingdom in general. What happens to my summer bedding plants? I use them to make compost for next year’s bedding plants. The awareness of the plant is preserved in its seeds, but you can also clone it by taking a cutting, which will grow new roots and become a replica of the old one. I suspect that a plant has no “I” in the sense that we know it, so there is no ethical or philosophical issue in taking cuttings.
Abram’s intuition is that intelligence is totally embedded in everything on earth--animal, vegetable or mineral. The moment we are formed from earth’s dust, we partake in the earth’s distributed intelligence. The “I” is no more than a sandcastle on the beach. The tide will wash it away but someone will come along tomorrow and build another. We may think we are so great and unique (like gods!) but we are just a species and the capacity for thought we have is akin to the spider’s capacity to design and build a web in a particular place and time. Every being interacts with its environment. Our mindstuff, which constructs music and literature and beauty and love and engineering marvels and computers, comes out of this mother earth, says Abrams. This stuff we see inside of ourselves belongs to earth, he proposes, in a subtle vision I can’t express here in an impromptu comment.
Perhaps the intelligence is not really from my brain, but a quality of all matter, and I learn to tap into it, just as this computer taps into the internet to get stuff. I’m just another flowering plant blossoming in its season, the “I” being a focus for all these struggles I have to undertake to pursue my interests, for which Nature has not been able to provide me with simple instincts, so I have to live by constructing ideas, and defending them.
LOL. I liked back to your site. I must have still had the link to your site on the clipboard.
ReplyDelete@Vincent: A sandcastle on the beach? Hmmm, not an easy thing to come to grips with, but I do see what you're saying. A hard thing to accept, but there could be some serenity in accepting it. We want to endure in a certain kind of way, something that preserves our awareness, and yes, even our ego. But yet, that refers us back to the whole point here. These things come up out of the universe to begin with, and someday they have to be returned to it, just as the sandcastle is formed out of the beach, and eventually the tide comes along and washes it over it and returns it to the rest of the sand. So maybe the sandcastle can't endure as a castle, with the same cohesion and integrity, but hopefully somehow, someway the life lived and dreamed in the castle is still there somewhere in the sand and doesn't just vanish in the air. To me that little bit, would make it all a little easier to accept; the idea that this feeling for this moment will go on beyond me.
ReplyDeleteBut yet, that's partly why we write, isn't it? To put these things out there, to preserve the things that are beyond the physical.
@John: Yes, somehow it formed a hybrid between your site and mine, a hybrid that was unfortunately stillborn. The 2nd link I put goes to right place, I think.
Linked, damn it. Linked.
ReplyDeleteHa! The typo gremlin is all over the place today.
ReplyDeleteVincent,
ReplyDeleteI was very intrigued by your answer, which grew on me as it progressed and seemed to climax in saying, perhaps the mind is is simply a function of being human, and has no more durability than the survival mechanisms of any species.
That statement, taken alone, is OK, but I feel teased and taunted. You remind me of Douglas Adams, who has a long path leading up the point where the most powerful computer in the universe, Deep Thought, finally reveals ”The ultimate answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.”
Mr. Adams teases us for many pages, and by the time Deep Thought reveals the answer, we realize we have not slept for 36 hours because we just had to know. It took Deep Thought more than seven million years to answer the ultimate question.
And what is the answer? The number forty two. And what is the ultimate question it answers? We don’t know. That would require more time.
And what does it ultimately mean? Forty Two.
While your answer could be the answer, and looking for meaning may be a fool's errand, it is still an anti-climatic climax for a mystery of this magnitude.
Or, maybe I did not understand your answer.
I'll leave that for Vincent to address :)
ReplyDeleteIt's not easy. I get certain impressions, but let's try this. Suppose that ego (the sense of I) and awareness are two different things. But then suppose that in human beings they are mixed together for most of the time. So that for example I claim credit for my ability to love, create, appreciate beauty--plus all my little actions which I think may help save the planet.
ReplyDeleteBut suppose that those things I claim credit for--the worthwhile things--are like wild bees which just happen to nest in my cranium, causing a great buzz, but leaving some first class honey there. So actually I am just a vessel for the Earth to deposit its bounty in. (OK this is my Harvest Festival sermon!)
So when I die, one empty honey-jar is recycled. Has the honey (the worthwhile stuff in my moment-to-moment living) gone to waste? It is endlessly recreated! The Earth teems with honey! You and I can only scratch the surface.
The thing that robs us of the desired climax, the thing that makes us desire eternal life or reincarnation, is the separateness of the ego.
Suppose the human ego is the most lonely thing in the Universe? The solitary party-pooper who refuses to play, doesn't know how to join in the great song of praise that everything constantly utters.
So what I'm saying here is that only mystical experience can provide the climax. Such experience seems to take place outside time, but it connects us to something that's always there, though we cannot always connect to it.
News and current affairs connect us to the sense of scarcity and loss--disruption of ecosystems & so on. But we have little idea of what there is, the wonders of existence, in the first place.
I wonder in the cave men who drew the first pictures on the walls were thinking "Some will see this and remember me after I'm gone"? Is that the ultimate point of all human creativity? A desperate attempt to be remembered?
ReplyDeleteSome have argued that. I'd like to think there's more to it than that, but I certainly think that's a big part of it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=i8TNLZ-iKqc
ReplyDeleteTopical, I guess.
Yes, quite relevant. I'm surprised that he actually entertains the notion, however tentatively, of the internet "achieving consciousness." Seems a little out there for Dawkins. Maybe he was just trying to get the interview over at that point.
ReplyDeleteI imagine if we could speed up the connections, that sort of thing could happen. It might indeed be already happening. Think about some of the odd random crap that shows up in a web search. Makes you think "Where the snap did that come from?"
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping it ends up with a wry and slightly twisted but non-malicious sense of humor.
Maybe it's us. Maybe we're achieving some kind of collective consciousness like the Borg...but with lost and lots of porn. The Porg?
ReplyDeleteHmmm.... naked cyborgs with perpetual.... ah.... hmmm...
ReplyDeleteMaybe I should just leave that one alone, eh?
I have no comment on this topic. I think I've mentioned it before, but it bears repeating: I'm just not going to die. I refuse.
ReplyDeleteGood luck with that Doug. Hopefully you'll share your secret with a few of your close Facebook friends.
ReplyDeleteThe secret: if you see a skinny man on a white horse, or a yellow horse, or any horse with sort of a pale hue, and he's riding directly towards you waving a gardening implement...run away really really fast.
ReplyDeleteHa! I'll try to remember that.
ReplyDeleteI just read your post on expansion and than found this one. Which was a perfect flow because I feel we come into being at birth with full expansion of consciousness and slowly but surely we are contracting with conditioning,confining us to the single point of "I". Where do we start, where do we end, where do we go? Nowhere, the consciousness that "IS" is always present and always will be so there is really no coming and going. The "Isness" doesn't come and go and that "IS" who we truly are. The "I's" are just characters being played out by us, written by the master play write! It is all just an illusion, a dream we are living in! This is my short version take on this subject! I can run with this but will keep it short!
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